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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 09:17:00 - [1] Originally by: Kalavoz I agree that some harder to forge evidence would be very nice for all of us. Having followed the whole drama avidly from start to finish, I'd like to say thanks to all concerned, it was very entertaining Also, respect to CT.. I liked his informative page on how he planned his scam, and carried it through, it was so much more dignified than Dentara's victory rant (and a lot more understandable, too). And no DS, I'm not a CT alt All very true. Blindly believing Dentara's claim seems silly. He claims the majority of the taken ISK came from alliances. The only way I'll believe that is if the shareholders actually get their ISK back. If they do, it means that the only way he could have still stolen money is if there was a great deal more investment than was made public. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 14:50:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/08/2006 14:50:35 Originally by: Inmate 19225004 Originally by: Dark Shikari The only way I'll believe that is if the shareholders actually get their ISK back. If they do, it means that the only way he could have still stolen money is if there was a great deal more investment than was made public. LOL you are sooooo transparent DS. What do you mean? I have zero EIB shares. I made a point of avoiding all investment with the EIB. I considered the risk too high for the return. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 21:34:00 - [3] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/08/2006 21:34:12 Originally by: Heikki Edited by: Heikki on 23/08/2006 21:25:37 Originally by: Kieli Rast Im not going to reveal who exactly lost money to this scam I am starting to think that your biggest scam wasn't EIB; it was making everyone believe you scored really big. Although I would love to be proven wrong. -Lasse I have strongly suspected that since the start. It is just as possible that Rast robbed very little, and that Kal and the like are his alts (regardless of his denials) and simply exist to support the "fact" that he stole so much ISK. But we really don't know. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 23:58:00 - [4] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/08/2006 23:58:24 Originally by: Semblence Originally by: Dark Shikari I have strongly suspected that since the start. It is just as possible that Rast robbed very little, and that Kal and the like are his alts (regardless of his denials) and simply exist to support the "fact" that he stole so much ISK. But we really don't know. Eh? I thought you only called people on their lies when you were 100% certain. Good to see you've adapted. I'm not calling him on a lie. I'm suggesting the possibility. I did the exact same thing every time something suspicious happened with the EIB. I suggested two possibilities: one explanining the suspicious happening in a positive manner (non-scam) and one taking the more cynical path. As I have done here. The difference, however, is that before, the question was whether to trust someone who had not scammed yet, versus trusting someone who has already scammed (Dentara). As Dentara has already lied plenty, I have a hard time believing him. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.24 04:04:00 - [5] Originally by: liquidism i scammed 977 bil out of some major alliances.. want a screenie as proof? I can beat that. I scammed 7573611 trillion out of CONCORD itself! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.16 16:45:00 - [6] Originally by: The Holder You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny. It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Kalavoz Originally by: Dark Shikari It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out. He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets. EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this: 1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information. 2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats. 3. Everyone gets banned! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:48:00 - [8] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kalavoz Originally by: Dark Shikari It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out. He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets. EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this: 1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information. 2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats. 3. Everyone gets banned! Could not have happened to a nicer guy! But seriously, EBaying your char so close to pulling off a scam like this is asking for the ban stick. Looks like I better find the link to satisfy my curosity Look at the following two eBay auction IDs: 260029405476 280021841125 --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Veleena Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist... ISK was sold totalling ú21,347 7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744 So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night. Alot less than it was worth but **, I had to sell it in bulk anyways. Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth. I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it. It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!! HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!! There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER. I think my bull meter just exploded. --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.

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